How does this get through committee?

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 12/04/2018 at 09:12 • Filed to: None

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Was the design directive “we want other drivers to think there’s a tractor trailer behind them”? Doe s this look actually ap peal to truck buyers?

Jason Spears > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:18

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This.

Arrivederci > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:19

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I think you answered your own question:

Is this look actually appeal to truck buyers? 

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Was the design directive “we want other drivers to think there’s a tractor trailer behind them”?

Drivers of giant trucks are usually overcompensating, so yes, they want to look like they’re driving something big to make up for smaller things.

random001 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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What’s wrong with it?  It looks nice.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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Th e Answer is yes and yes, pickups are supposed to look like rigs because people bought a lot of Dodge pickups in the 90s when they started looking like them.

PartyPooper2012 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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If they’re mimicking big and strong, others might think they are getting big and strong just like the real big and strong.

If you imitate tractor trailer, some might think they are getting a tractor trailer

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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I’s wager 2500 buyers won’t care. Might even work well with the macho b urly rugged working man’s image.

But don’t think I like it. This is what I commented on FP

https://jalopnik.com/1830846872

Nibby > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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more pictures

https://www.netcarshow.com/chevrolet/2020-silverado_hd/

DipodomysDeserti > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:20

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I think the only thing that would make it more appealing to truck bros would be if the Chevrolet placard was an LED light bar that automatically turned on with the headlights.

glemon > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:22

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Make it so it reads right when looked at through a rear view mirror and I am down with it. Didn’t some car from way back when have the rear view mirror readable front script feature?  Or maybe backup cameras that recognize backwards script and fix it.

Tekamul > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:23

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The way they cut the Chevrolet to accommodate the E’s is pretty weak. I can only see lowercase r’s with an equal under it.

CHrVROLrT!!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:25

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Me looking at this.

the Rivian is a much more palpable Sci-fi  truck.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > random001 12/04/2018 at 09:26

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“Nice”?!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Jason Spears 12/04/2018 at 09:27

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Perfect.

fintail > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:27

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Imagine a thumb and a forefinger about an inch apart.

functionoverfashion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:29

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I mean...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 09:31

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Also not good.

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:31

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Remember when pickups were about getting work done, and not about dick swinging attitude fashion statements?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:32

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“ ...those were the days...”

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:35

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Mercedes Streeter > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:38

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Of the big three trucks, RAM edges out a win for me. GM is going so angular and blocky that their trucks would feel at home in a Halo game. That has a lot of appeal for some folks (including me when I was a teen), so it’ll probably sell well.

Ford’s still in love with their bar grille. They also like futuristic angles, but not to GM’s extreme . It probably looks pretty okay in the flesh (I can't remember if I've seen one yet) . I can’t say I’ve ever hated the look of a recent Ford truck.

And finally RAM. I’ve always been fond of the looks of the FCA era RAM. Not a huge fan of the chrome grille but the grilles do apparently also come in body colour.

I even like the ridiculous stashe, too!

ateamfan42 > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:39

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Remember when pickups were about getting work done, and not about dick swinging attitude fashion statements?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.....

Seriously, though, there was a time when pickups had bench seats, vinyl floors, crank windows, long beds, and simple drivetrains— for w hen you needed something tough, but cheap, to haul and pull and move cargo.

Now, the vast majority of “trucks” are just commuter cars that go to and from the office, and carry kids on the weekends. So people want lots of seating, big doors, leather, bluetooth, fancy sound and navigation, power everything, a quiet smooth ride, and 17-zone climate control. Those are all great, but they are the reasons new pickups cost more than luxury sports sedans.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:39

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...I like that. It’s an excellent example of a manufacturer seeing what the aftermarket is doing and copying it. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mercedes Streeter 12/04/2018 at 09:41

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This is the Chevy HD, so have to look at it against the competitors.

They’re all pretty bad.

DasWauto > DipodomysDeserti 12/04/2018 at 09:44

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Don’t give them any ideas. 

jimz > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:45

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I’d wager it appeals greatly to the bro-dozer set. Though the ugly headlamp styling is probably driven by the need to have them mounted lower due to how much higher the trucks ride. Ford did the same thing when they released the 2008 Super Duty, which I thought was rather ugly.

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:46

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It’s actually pretty cool. except when a brodozer lifts it and drives with the brights on constantly

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 12/04/2018 at 09:47

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Not a fan at all. It’s distinctive, but boring.

Also not a fan of the new Jeep running lamps.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:47

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POW

Right in the kissah

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:49

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I do not remember, but at least they used to look good. The difference now is that they pander to the Ed Hardy wearing fake Cowboy crowd instead of actually making stylish vehicles.

Vicente Esteve > DipodomysDeserti 12/04/2018 at 09:50

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Im willing to bet real money that will be on the aftermarket .

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:51

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Start calling simple things boring and you’ll end up with Chevy’s new 1500. An ugly mess because “at least it’s not Boring” 

DipodomysDeserti > random001 12/04/2018 at 09:51

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But wouldn’t it look a lot better if the Chevrolet placard was an LED bar? An LED bar that was always on and pointed at rear view mirror level?

random001 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:52

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Yeah.  Nice.  I mean, I’m sure the poor slob in his “sedan” or “crossover” or normie car of some other flavor knows how big that guys package is.

ttyymmnn > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/04/2018 at 09:53

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Except that was Ralph Kramden......

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:54

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“Dat truck looks like something a ___ would drive!”

—Regular Archie Reviews

random001 > DipodomysDeserti 12/04/2018 at 09:54

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Psh, that sounds like something Mercedes would do.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 12/04/2018 at 09:57

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Yeah, it’s bad.

Simple doesn’t need to be boring.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 09:58

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All those sitcoms are pretty much the same to me. Except for Leave it to Beaver. That was just propaganda.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Mercedes Streeter 12/04/2018 at 09:58

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Also, the Ram 2500 Powerwago n was spotted recently. Looks so much better

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/03/ram-2500-power-wagon-spy-photos/#slide-7479413

Nibbles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 09:59

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Since we’re talking 2020 models, please make the following change:

The 2020 Ram looks leagues better

Nibbles > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 09:59

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in case Kinja

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 10:01

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Thanks for the correction. That is better. But still FCA... 

Nibbles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 10:05

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26,000 miles so far , 85% towing at-or-near max, my 2017 1500 has not had one single problem. Not a one.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 10:07

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Glad to hear it. Friends with Dodge products haven’t been as fortunate (one self-immolated in his driveway) . Hope they’ve solved a lot of their past problems.

Nibbles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 10:13

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About the only thing I’m worried about is, and it’s only because now everyone everywhere is telling me it’s inevitable, that my 5.7 is going to end up lunching the cam.

But that 2020 looks pretty tits, and I would like to upgrade to a Cummins

Wonder if the refresh is going to retain the 6MT

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 10:19

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Seems unlikely, but who knows?

How many weekends a year do you all get out with your camper?   

Nibbles > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 10:23

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Old camper not so much. With this new one though, we were out about twice per month until October.

What’s nice is it’s a mobile apartment. We took it to a friends house and camped in their front yard for a weekend party. We have literally no excuse to not go somewhere now :)

nermal > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 10:28

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Hot Taek - The new one looks like a modern version of the one you posted.

Square front, big square grille, chrome bumper, big headlight and small turn signlan (flipped on new one but same styling), etc.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 10:29

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Very nice! 

fintail > random001 12/04/2018 at 10:30

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Didn’t go for the lighting package, but paid for the illuminated star.  Sounds right.

fintail > ttyymmnn 12/04/2018 at 10:32

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Gee, our old LaSalle ran great

functionoverfashion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 10:50

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Ford seems to have taken the regulation of ‘headlights must be located between 24" from the ground and no higher than 54" from the ground’ and made the front of the truck A WALL OF LIGHT from 24" through 54" 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 10:55

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What makes me crazy about all these new, bright DRLs is that people think their lights are on when they’re actually not. I drove home from work behind a Mustang, and must have flashed him half a dozen times trying to get him to turn on his lights. When I finally got around him, I could tell he had his DRLs on and was illuminating the road in front of him just fine (there were also some lights on the highway and plenty of traffic ), but his headlights/ taillights weren’t on (dangerous).

functionoverfashion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 11:01

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This isn’t a new problem, but it’s definitely getting worse. The other thing is digital dashboards. It used to be (most often) that your dash lights wouldn’t be on unless your headlights were on, but with a screen, it looks the same all the time.

This is for sure a pet peeve of mine, in particular after I once got a ticket for not having lights on, driving a friend’s car with DRLs and dash lights that were always on. In a busy area with streetlights and lots of traffic, there’s no way I could have known my lights weren’t on, unless I’d noticed the position of the switch. 

ttyymmnn > nermal 12/04/2018 at 11:07

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The new one looks like an overwrought gaudy Baroque version of a once utilitarian vehicle. 

ttyymmnn > fintail 12/04/2018 at 11:08

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Goils were goils and men were men. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 11:09

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My gauges are dark unless my head lights are on (new Tacoma). In low light situations like dawn or dusk, my  DRLs are more than bright enough to be safe for oncoming traffic.

Driving an unfamiliar car it’s an easy mistake to make. My old Pathfinder had no dash light to show you whether your lights were on or not (this should be a thing on every car).

Mercedes Streeter > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 11:13

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Touche! Though I’d say the RAM is still the better of the even bigger three. It doesn’t use gargantuan headlights and the massive grille could be worse, I suppose. I’ve seen a few of the HD RAMs in the flesh and I like them. lol

functionoverfashion > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 11:20

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Your Tacoma does it right; no surprise, I suppose.

So if DRLs are mandated for safety, why are taillights not also mandated (or just ‘automatic-on lights by default?’ Like, early ‘00's GMCs that had a switch whose default position was ‘auto-on’ - you could override that but it would spring back to auto-on and reset the next time you started the vehicle. I’m guessing fuel efficiency, however small a difference it may be. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mercedes Streeter 12/04/2018 at 11:21

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Yeah, I think you’re right. Upcoming Power Wagon looks good. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 11:24

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I’d guess that 90% of new vehicles will come with auto-on lights soon (wish they’d  come on with wipers as well). I didn’t option it because it was part of a couple thousand dollar package that I didn’t really feel like I needed.

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 11:27

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Most (all?) cars now have a green indicator light somewhere on the dash to show you when the lights are on. It’s rarely obvious. I hate the idea of the always on digital dashes but that’s what is in right now :|

functionoverfashion > SPAMBot - Horse Doctor 12/04/2018 at 11:35

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I think you’re right about the green light, but with all the screen space in cars these days, I think a message that says “turn on your headlights, dummy - it’s dark out” would be more helpful

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > functionoverfashion 12/04/2018 at 11:49

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100% agree. It could flash a message over the digital speedo saying the it’s dark and your light are off. Self-destructing in...

Sovande > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 12:01

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That’s gross looking.

Nibbles > Sovande 12/04/2018 at 12:12

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I like it, save the Fu Manchu grille (which I’ve made my position on clear multiple times).  I’m reserving complete judgement for non-Rebel / Power Wagon trims

Sovande > Nibbles 12/04/2018 at 12:30

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Not a fan of the Ram styling.  I like the more slab sided looks of the Ford.

Nibbles > Sovande 12/04/2018 at 12:40

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Not a fan of the Ford styling.  I like the more forward looks of the Ram.

Wild > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 13:32

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GM truck sales slide 20% and wall street freaks out. GM will still thwn refuse to hire anyone with average tastes, or an appreciation for the cars these working truck drivers commute in

Stef Schrader > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 15:35

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I mean, t his is the company that OK’d the design of the Pontiac Aztek.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Stef Schrader 12/04/2018 at 15:38

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#TrueFacts

We’ll be edgy!

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 16:15

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Gross Mismanagement. That's how...

ranwhenparked > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2018 at 18:30

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Because GM hasn’t had a VP of Design with “fuck you all, we’re doing it my way ” clout since Bill Mitchell retired.

pip bip - choose Corrour > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/05/2018 at 03:22

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remember they’re appealing to the  mouth breathers/infowars type of demographic